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Re: The Science of Water
Sun, January 13, 2008 - 7:35 PMThere is some interesting information in this video, thanks for recommending it.
but didn't it bother you , as it did me, that the narrator is so anthropomorphic in his
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Re: The Science of Water
Sun, January 13, 2008 - 11:11 PMi think it was, because, he put his information together from Schauberger and others from a time gone by.
It was refreshing to be reminded how quickly we could clean up the waters of this planet with a bit off understanding and compassion for the WATER. From there, even the air would feel better and it's bound to spread back to us humans. -
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Re: The Science of Water
Mon, January 14, 2008 - 4:48 AMso true, Xaliman.
I hope my comments weren't construed as unadulterated cynicism.
Much can be garnered from this video and I'm not totally skeptical.
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Re: The Science of Water
Mon, January 14, 2008 - 8:56 PMAs I watch this, there is something in my head screaming at a flaw in the overall concept that "cool water promotes life." He's contradicting himself. If warm water begins growth of bacteria and parasites...IS THAT NOT LIFE!? It's just the opposite in fact. Water at 4 degrees is STERILE and promotes NO life within it. Water heated to the point of bacterial and parasitic growth PROMOTES the abundance of life. Without bacteria there is no food for the other microscopic life forms and so on up the chain of life. That's why oceans are TEEMING with LIFE at the upper range of the benthic zone. Phytoplankton, zooplankton, algae, kelp forests, CORAL for god's sake!
Have you ever looked into a non-polluted aquaduct? It's literally overflowing with algae and all kinds of life. I'm not arguing for the straightening of our rivers by any means. But my arguments for meandering rivers are more for the sake of flood protection and erosion suppression...nothing at all to do with the "life of the water." -
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Re: The Science of Water
Mon, January 14, 2008 - 11:33 PMThe 'Life' of the water is equated to it's carrying capacities and it's strength as an entity unto itself. At this temperature it is at it's most stable state and when it is put into motion as in a mountain stream, the water molecule is capable of attaching more oxygen to the water's form.
For those other creatures and entities that feed off of the water, this is also the time to get the most energy from the water. Try drinking mountain stream water at 4 degrees and compare it to drinking room temperature tap water. The strong living water will bring you the most refreshment. -
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Re: The Science of Water
Tue, January 15, 2008 - 12:19 PMWell...that's not exactly true. The human body obtains the most hydrating capacity from water when it is at room temperature because the body doesn't have to try to heat it up before absorption. Cool water does ONLY that...cools. If you are not overheated then room temperature water is the most beneficial for your hydration.
And of course mountain stream water is going to be better than tap...no arguments there. But once again that's for different reasons than temperature.
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Re: The Science of Water
Mon, January 14, 2008 - 11:59 PMLook up "upwelling". For whatever reasons (and your points sound entirely cogent to me) cold water rising towards the surface does tend to be (micro?) nutrient rich, making for an abundance of sea life further up the food chain in these areas, Monterey Bay being an excellent example locally. -
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Re: The Science of Water
Tue, January 15, 2008 - 12:12 PMOf course I completely agree with this...however there's a bit of a different reason for it. The reason deepwater upwellings are nutrient-rich are because as living matter dies and decays in the ocean the deadmatter falls to the deeper areas. This settling of nutrients from decaying living particulates rises to the surface in an upwelling and allows the living creatures to feed off of it where in the deeper abyssal zones it would be otherwise unreachable. It really has very little to do with the temperature of the water other than the fact that in the abyssal zones there's not enough light and heat to support the abundance of life at that level that the nutrients support.
Point in case, take a look at a deep sea thermal vent. Life THRIVES at this location where otherwise in the deep ocean it's sparse (relatively speaking). -
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Re: The Science of Water
Tue, January 15, 2008 - 12:46 PMIt's a problem of terminology. The 'Life' of water I'm referring to is the life of the 'Water' and not the life of other entities living off of the water. I think this is also the discovery that Viktor Schauberger made. Water has a state in which it is the strongest under certain conditions that relate to the bond angles of the molecules (affected by temperature) and the motion of the water (resulting in implosion). -
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Re: The Science of Water
Tue, January 15, 2008 - 2:27 PMMaybe it has something to do with the way water behaves with compression, it won't compress.
Water a 1mm thick, can, in a sheet carry thousands of tons of steel. -
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Re: The Science of Water
Tue, January 15, 2008 - 3:10 PMHmm...couldn't oil do the same thing just as effectively?
And the only difference I refer to is the narrator's own words. He's arguing for the life GIVING properties of water and how certain conditions affect the capabilities of water to provide this life-giving property. Water obviously doesn't have a preference for a certain state (stability, in reference to 4 degrees being the most stable form of water, is far from preferable...stasis = death in ALL life systems) because we don't have a way to communicate with it in an unbiased manner if it indeed IS alive. That's like assuming that a baby prefers to be dead because when it's alive it makes loud noises and wiggles around where when it's dead it stays contentedly still. -
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Re: The Science of Water
Tue, January 15, 2008 - 7:02 PMhow can I communicate the wonderful chuckle i got out of that baby reference!? Pretty farking funny.
here is a random, but meaningful story: My Dad was teaching me how to assemble an engine block... When it comes to the top block, his advice was to make sure you did not have ANY water at all in the holes. there is a thing called hydro lock, if you have even a drop of water at the bottom of a hole that you are driving a bolt into, you encounter the last milimeter with impossible resistance. Water will NOT compress. AT ALL! And it has a back lock effect. Since water is not compressible, it ca sustain any attempt you give at driving in those bolts. If it was oil, it would squeeze out. -
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Re: The Science of Water
Tue, January 15, 2008 - 7:34 PMI have to wonder at that though for this reason...
Most bolts, nuts, really any kind of industrial metal fastener has a very light coating of oil on it. This is to prevent it from rusting/tarnishing. Now in the situation you described, water would indeed be trapped by the bolt and the oils already on the bolt. This is just because oil is non-polar and water is polar and they won't mix. The water *can't* squeeze out because oil is already occupying the only space is has for escape. Oil would be able to squeeze out because it can readily mix with oils coating the bolt and can work it's way out of the high-pressure zone to the lower pressure outside.
From what I was aware of, anything can be subject to the effects of pressure. The molecules are just compressed closer together and compressed oil would react the same as compressed water and the same as compressed mercury, etc. It does bring a question to mind for me, however. I've been having a difficult time looking up information on viscosity vs. pressure information on liquids, and what I did find also factored in heat. If you have a quantity of water at absolute pressure...so that it is completely unable to expand any further than at its most compressed point...then you remove all the heat energy so that it is reduced to zero kelvin...would it still freeze given that the molecules would not be able to expand to form their crystal matrix?
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Re: The Science of Water
Fri, January 18, 2008 - 7:26 AMwww.youtube.com/v/28F_oPDZHSk&rel=1
Bose Einstein Condensate video
Ok, I think the reason you can't find info about compression at absolute zero is because atoms don't work the same there.
Another place to look therefore, could be in the kiln.
I remember from pottery class, we had to heat the "bone dry" clay at about 300 for about 3 hours to dispel any layers of water that had surrounded the atoms of the sand and mica. Apparently each atom had a layer of water that was atomically bonded around it.
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Re: The Science of Water
Sun, January 20, 2008 - 11:01 AMwww.metacafe.com/fplayer/1041454/.swf
Dolphins demonstrate this technology dynamic!!
